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		<title>By: Scott McGlasson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott McGlasson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(hat tip to Sarah Hoyt for the link)

Excellent post, Dean.

The number of things you need to know is indeed intimidating...more a learning cliff than a curve...but if you take each one separately, they&#039;re really not that difficult to master.  Aside from graphic art, that is.  No way I&#039;m going near that other that to say, &quot;Yes, I like that,&quot; or, &quot;No, there are no green pixie fairies in this title&quot;.  

Merciless self-promotion right up to and probably tip-toeing on annoying seems to be a key ingredient.  I&#039;m nothing if not mercilessly almost annoying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(hat tip to Sarah Hoyt for the link)</p>
<p>Excellent post, Dean.</p>
<p>The number of things you need to know is indeed intimidating&#8230;more a learning cliff than a curve&#8230;but if you take each one separately, they&#8217;re really not that difficult to master.  Aside from graphic art, that is.  No way I&#8217;m going near that other that to say, &#8220;Yes, I like that,&#8221; or, &#8220;No, there are no green pixie fairies in this title&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Merciless self-promotion right up to and probably tip-toeing on annoying seems to be a key ingredient.  I&#8217;m nothing if not mercilessly almost annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: dwsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 00:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linda,

Editors never stopped accepting books directly from writers. They just put it in their guidelines like the old guideline. But nothing changed. You send a novel to an editor with the right package and something they might buy and they will look at it. Form rejections tell you to get an agent, but those are only form rejections. If they like it, they will write you or make you an offer.  All the writers who believed in the guidelines of publishers deserve what they got with agents. But that&#039;s me being harsh. Writers are people who take chances and don&#039;t follow rules. If you are the type of person who can&#039;t go against a simple guideline, being a fiction writer is going to be tough.

And I agree with you, readers should decide what&#039;s good and what isn&#039;t, thus why I love indie publishing, which includes not only electronic publishing, but print publishing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda,</p>
<p>Editors never stopped accepting books directly from writers. They just put it in their guidelines like the old guideline. But nothing changed. You send a novel to an editor with the right package and something they might buy and they will look at it. Form rejections tell you to get an agent, but those are only form rejections. If they like it, they will write you or make you an offer.  All the writers who believed in the guidelines of publishers deserve what they got with agents. But that&#8217;s me being harsh. Writers are people who take chances and don&#8217;t follow rules. If you are the type of person who can&#8217;t go against a simple guideline, being a fiction writer is going to be tough.</p>
<p>And I agree with you, readers should decide what&#8217;s good and what isn&#8217;t, thus why I love indie publishing, which includes not only electronic publishing, but print publishing.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Banche</title>
		<link>http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/?p=5052&#038;cpage=1#comment-12284</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Banche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I certainly hope publishers go back to accepting books directly from authors. I never liked the idea of an agent telling me to rewrite a book. Even if I did rewrite, the agent wasn&#039;t guaranteeing me a sale. And if the book never sold, I wasted my time rewriting when I could have written something new.

I firmly believe the readers should decide which are the good books. Readers are smart. They&#039;ll find the good books. Why do I need a gatekeeper to decide for them? The gatekeepers are readers, too, with their likes and dislikes. And they don&#039;t necessarily like what I like.

I&#039;m just as scared as anyone of the new publishing world. I&#039;m relatively new and e-pubbed only, which has given me some flak from the traditionally published. But, just maybe I started out the right way. Good luck to all, me included.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly hope publishers go back to accepting books directly from authors. I never liked the idea of an agent telling me to rewrite a book. Even if I did rewrite, the agent wasn&#8217;t guaranteeing me a sale. And if the book never sold, I wasted my time rewriting when I could have written something new.</p>
<p>I firmly believe the readers should decide which are the good books. Readers are smart. They&#8217;ll find the good books. Why do I need a gatekeeper to decide for them? The gatekeepers are readers, too, with their likes and dislikes. And they don&#8217;t necessarily like what I like.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just as scared as anyone of the new publishing world. I&#8217;m relatively new and e-pubbed only, which has given me some flak from the traditionally published. But, just maybe I started out the right way. Good luck to all, me included.</p>
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		<title>By: dwsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/?p=5052&#038;cpage=1#comment-12245</link>
		<dc:creator>dwsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarah, all states of all books need different ISBNs. They are just a book sorting number, nothing more, and it makes little difference what the number is. Amazon and Pubit give you one of their own tracking numbers. CreateSpace for the PODs will either give you a free ISBN or you can buy one for $10.00 depending on a reference listing of who is the &quot;technical&quot; publisher. (Means little if anything.)  Smashwords also gives out free ISBNs or you can buy them for $10.00 each.  

I have on Trek novel, still in print after 17 years, that when I get a royalty report, it shows 23 different ISBN tracking numbers. (Every time it changes state or even cover, it gets a new ISBN number for their tracking systems in the royalty area.)  

So do what you want, but my suggestion, go cheap. They are just not that important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, all states of all books need different ISBNs. They are just a book sorting number, nothing more, and it makes little difference what the number is. Amazon and Pubit give you one of their own tracking numbers. CreateSpace for the PODs will either give you a free ISBN or you can buy one for $10.00 depending on a reference listing of who is the &#8220;technical&#8221; publisher. (Means little if anything.)  Smashwords also gives out free ISBNs or you can buy them for $10.00 each.  </p>
<p>I have on Trek novel, still in print after 17 years, that when I get a royalty report, it shows 23 different ISBN tracking numbers. (Every time it changes state or even cover, it gets a new ISBN number for their tracking systems in the royalty area.)  </p>
<p>So do what you want, but my suggestion, go cheap. They are just not that important.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Stegall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Stegall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, everyone, for all the reassurance re: Amazon. I guess my anti-corporate hippie self still lives inside this budding entrepreneur somewhere. :)

Dean, I wonder if you could give us some advice at some point re: ISBNs. I&#039;m having the dickens of a time figuring out whether to buy my own, or let the PODs assign them for free. If I go the latter route, potentially I would have several POD outfits selling the same book under different ISBNs. I&#039;ve done all the research I can, but there&#039;s nothing like hearing it from the Voice Of Experience. How do you handle ISBNs? I hope it&#039;s okay to post this question here. 

Sarah]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, everyone, for all the reassurance re: Amazon. I guess my anti-corporate hippie self still lives inside this budding entrepreneur somewhere. <img src='http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Dean, I wonder if you could give us some advice at some point re: ISBNs. I&#8217;m having the dickens of a time figuring out whether to buy my own, or let the PODs assign them for free. If I go the latter route, potentially I would have several POD outfits selling the same book under different ISBNs. I&#8217;ve done all the research I can, but there&#8217;s nothing like hearing it from the Voice Of Experience. How do you handle ISBNs? I hope it&#8217;s okay to post this question here. </p>
<p>Sarah</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Hajicek</title>
		<link>http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/?p=5052&#038;cpage=1#comment-12209</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Hajicek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 02:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Dean,

I agree 100% with what you&#039;re saying but I wasn&#039;t talking about traditional publishing (although they are crying right now (and for good reason))

I meant Indie authors that are making a GOOD living. I keep hearing talk about how everyone will be priced at 99 cents then everything will be free....

uh WHAT? Yes not only will ebooks be 99 cents but then that won&#039;t even be good enough. 

Do any of these people READ? I&#039;m sorry...

RA Salvatore comes out with a book. I don&#039;t care if its 25 dollars. I&#039;m spending my money on him...

Because book&#039;s aren&#039;t indistinguishable commodity and I like his work....ugh

Writers need to stop acting like they are selling corn. Heck even Starbucks was able to make a commodity (Coffee Beans) into a premium product.

Anyways, I really appreciate the positive attitude and general sanity here.

Everyone else is so bitter and negative. In failure and in SUCCESS. 

I don&#039;t see everyone selling their stuff for 10 cents a song on Itunes and *gasp* indies can easily get their music uploaded there. 

So Itunes found a profitable model but when books go digital within 5 years no one will pay for one...oh really. (rolls eyes)

Peace,
Alex Hajicek]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dean,</p>
<p>I agree 100% with what you&#8217;re saying but I wasn&#8217;t talking about traditional publishing (although they are crying right now (and for good reason))</p>
<p>I meant Indie authors that are making a GOOD living. I keep hearing talk about how everyone will be priced at 99 cents then everything will be free&#8230;.</p>
<p>uh WHAT? Yes not only will ebooks be 99 cents but then that won&#8217;t even be good enough. </p>
<p>Do any of these people READ? I&#8217;m sorry&#8230;</p>
<p>RA Salvatore comes out with a book. I don&#8217;t care if its 25 dollars. I&#8217;m spending my money on him&#8230;</p>
<p>Because book&#8217;s aren&#8217;t indistinguishable commodity and I like his work&#8230;.ugh</p>
<p>Writers need to stop acting like they are selling corn. Heck even Starbucks was able to make a commodity (Coffee Beans) into a premium product.</p>
<p>Anyways, I really appreciate the positive attitude and general sanity here.</p>
<p>Everyone else is so bitter and negative. In failure and in SUCCESS. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see everyone selling their stuff for 10 cents a song on Itunes and *gasp* indies can easily get their music uploaded there. </p>
<p>So Itunes found a profitable model but when books go digital within 5 years no one will pay for one&#8230;oh really. (rolls eyes)</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Alex Hajicek</p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holly Lisle just announced that she was dropping out of trad pub to go indie today.

http://hollylisle.com/discussing-ive-quit-big-publishing-to-publish-myself/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly Lisle just announced that she was dropping out of trad pub to go indie today.</p>
<p><a href="http://hollylisle.com/discussing-ive-quit-big-publishing-to-publish-myself/" rel="nofollow">http://hollylisle.com/discussing-ive-quit-big-publishing-to-publish-myself/</a></p>
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		<title>By: dwsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Julie, why would you ever let good material just sit and make you no money???  So yup, I think that idea is not a real good one. We writers have done that enough over the years by allowing traditional publishers to hold manuscripts for so long without making a decision. It&#039;s time we started to get out inventory into action as a business.

As for indie-publishing being unsettled, well, sure, it&#039;s a growing part of this business, no doubt, and players will come and go, sure. But the risk to writers is just about zero. A few hours time, a few bucks here and there for a cover art or a special program in CreateSpace, but not much else. Zero risk, easy cash flow.

Will things be bumpy at times in indie publishing? Yes, but we are only dealing with distributors and they have no interest (meaning hold on copyright) of our work, where you sell your book to a traditional publisher and they go down, they control your work and that&#039;s a HUGE risk.  So sort of comparing white rabbits with spoiled fruit. Indie publishing keeps the control and ownership in your hands (unless you do something really stupid like have your agent publish you).  Traditional publishing you are giving over control of your work to company that might not exist in a half year.

See the difference. A bookstore is a distributor. Just because a bookstore goes down doesn&#039;t mean you don&#039;t still control your own work. Smashwords, Kindle, B&amp;N and so on are all just distributors, bookstores. Nothing more, thus you hold control at all times.  All safe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, why would you ever let good material just sit and make you no money???  So yup, I think that idea is not a real good one. We writers have done that enough over the years by allowing traditional publishers to hold manuscripts for so long without making a decision. It&#8217;s time we started to get out inventory into action as a business.</p>
<p>As for indie-publishing being unsettled, well, sure, it&#8217;s a growing part of this business, no doubt, and players will come and go, sure. But the risk to writers is just about zero. A few hours time, a few bucks here and there for a cover art or a special program in CreateSpace, but not much else. Zero risk, easy cash flow.</p>
<p>Will things be bumpy at times in indie publishing? Yes, but we are only dealing with distributors and they have no interest (meaning hold on copyright) of our work, where you sell your book to a traditional publisher and they go down, they control your work and that&#8217;s a HUGE risk.  So sort of comparing white rabbits with spoiled fruit. Indie publishing keeps the control and ownership in your hands (unless you do something really stupid like have your agent publish you).  Traditional publishing you are giving over control of your work to company that might not exist in a half year.</p>
<p>See the difference. A bookstore is a distributor. Just because a bookstore goes down doesn&#8217;t mean you don&#8217;t still control your own work. Smashwords, Kindle, B&#038;N and so on are all just distributors, bookstores. Nothing more, thus you hold control at all times.  All safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Insightful post, Dean. I feel really comfortable with the &quot;write like crazy&quot; part of the equation, but to me the self-publishing part feels as unsettled as traditional. It&#039;s a whirling mass of potential that needs to be harnessed and some of us don&#039;t feel up to the challenge or particularly enjoy it. I&#039;m wondering about applying your &quot;hold&quot; advice to self-pubbing as well. My thought is to focus on my craft and &quot;stockpile&quot; work for the next 2 years and then, when the dust has settled all the way around, release several titles into the (hopefully by then reinvented) publishing world in whatever way makes sense. Of course that means no making money in the short term, but assuming one is making money other ways, would you think this strategy crazy? I&#039;d appreciate your thoughts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insightful post, Dean. I feel really comfortable with the &#8220;write like crazy&#8221; part of the equation, but to me the self-publishing part feels as unsettled as traditional. It&#8217;s a whirling mass of potential that needs to be harnessed and some of us don&#8217;t feel up to the challenge or particularly enjoy it. I&#8217;m wondering about applying your &#8220;hold&#8221; advice to self-pubbing as well. My thought is to focus on my craft and &#8220;stockpile&#8221; work for the next 2 years and then, when the dust has settled all the way around, release several titles into the (hopefully by then reinvented) publishing world in whatever way makes sense. Of course that means no making money in the short term, but assuming one is making money other ways, would you think this strategy crazy? I&#8217;d appreciate your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda McCarter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda McCarter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dean, thank you, thank you, thank you for this.  THIS is what I&#039;ve been trying to tell people.  Only you said it much better than I think I have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, thank you, thank you, thank you for this.  THIS is what I&#8217;ve been trying to tell people.  Only you said it much better than I think I have.</p>
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