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		<title>By: Jeremy J. Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy J. Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good tip. And a good red flag to look for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good tip. And a good red flag to look for.</p>
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		<title>By: dwsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, yup got it. With an offer in hand, you can shop for the right employee that fits what you need an employee to do. Exactly on the money. You might have to interview two or three, but you will find one. And it will happen fast, on the phone.

A point that some agents do which is just silly. They ask to see the book first. If they do, ask them why? They will be thinking that you are hiring them for life. Just say you would like them to do just the one contract first, then the two of you can talk about the future. You want to see how they handle the important stuff, the negotiations and contracts first.  If they insist on reading the book first, walk away. Their judgment on your work means nothing and will only get in the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, yup got it. With an offer in hand, you can shop for the right employee that fits what you need an employee to do. Exactly on the money. You might have to interview two or three, but you will find one. And it will happen fast, on the phone.</p>
<p>A point that some agents do which is just silly. They ask to see the book first. If they do, ask them why? They will be thinking that you are hiring them for life. Just say you would like them to do just the one contract first, then the two of you can talk about the future. You want to see how they handle the important stuff, the negotiations and contracts first.  If they insist on reading the book first, walk away. Their judgment on your work means nothing and will only get in the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy J. Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy J. Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken. I didn&#039;t write what I meant, unfortunately.

It would have been more accurate to ask about an author with his first offer in hand. But you&#039;ve answered that. The writer with an offer in hand can hire who he wants.

What I was trying to ask was whether a writer with his first offer would find agents reluctant to deal only with the one contract. But that is just a slip into conventional thinking. Rather, the author with an offer in hand has every opportunity to acquire an agent that would agree to a proper author-agent agreement.

Make no mistake. I will never hire an agent without an offer in hand. I never liked the idea of doing that as it was, and you&#039;ve helped me realize that my instincts in that area were correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken. I didn&#8217;t write what I meant, unfortunately.</p>
<p>It would have been more accurate to ask about an author with his first offer in hand. But you&#8217;ve answered that. The writer with an offer in hand can hire who he wants.</p>
<p>What I was trying to ask was whether a writer with his first offer would find agents reluctant to deal only with the one contract. But that is just a slip into conventional thinking. Rather, the author with an offer in hand has every opportunity to acquire an agent that would agree to a proper author-agent agreement.</p>
<p>Make no mistake. I will never hire an agent without an offer in hand. I never liked the idea of doing that as it was, and you&#8217;ve helped me realize that my instincts in that area were correct.</p>
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		<title>By: dwsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, first off, why would a beginning writer need an agent????????   Go back and read my posts again and then firmly plant the standing knowledge that has been around a long time in your mind. 

&quot;Any agent you can get as an unsold writer isn&#039;t an agent you will want when you sell a book.&quot;

If you have an offer in hand from a major publisher, you are not a beginning writer and can hire who fits you.  If you are trying as an unsold beginning writer to get an agent, you get what you deserve I&#039;m afraid.  Sorry to be so blunt, but alas, the hard truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, first off, why would a beginning writer need an agent????????   Go back and read my posts again and then firmly plant the standing knowledge that has been around a long time in your mind. </p>
<p>&#8220;Any agent you can get as an unsold writer isn&#8217;t an agent you will want when you sell a book.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you have an offer in hand from a major publisher, you are not a beginning writer and can hire who fits you.  If you are trying as an unsold beginning writer to get an agent, you get what you deserve I&#8217;m afraid.  Sorry to be so blunt, but alas, the hard truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy J. Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy J. Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean, do you think a beginning writer would get a considerable amount of pushback from most agents if attempting to take that position?

I suppose that&#039;s a guarantee with the wrong kind of agent, or the wrong agent for me, but that the right agent would be very agreeable to such a concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, do you think a beginning writer would get a considerable amount of pushback from most agents if attempting to take that position?</p>
<p>I suppose that&#8217;s a guarantee with the wrong kind of agent, or the wrong agent for me, but that the right agent would be very agreeable to such a concept.</p>
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		<title>By: dwsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly, Laura. I agree completely. No right way, just the way that works better for each writer, from an informed position. And that &quot;informed&quot; word is what this is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, Laura. I agree completely. No right way, just the way that works better for each writer, from an informed position. And that &#8220;informed&#8221; word is what this is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: dwsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, that&#039;s right. When I need a task done and think another person would add value or help in a way, I hire that person for that task. Never, ever again will I have a full-time agent. Just don&#039;t need one. But I do have agents I like to work with and who I know and have checked out completely. Those are the ones I pick up the phone and call when I need help on something.  And when I do that, I gladly pay the going rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, that&#8217;s right. When I need a task done and think another person would add value or help in a way, I hire that person for that task. Never, ever again will I have a full-time agent. Just don&#8217;t need one. But I do have agents I like to work with and who I know and have checked out completely. Those are the ones I pick up the phone and call when I need help on something.  And when I do that, I gladly pay the going rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Resnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, to be clear, if you find a housekeeper who comes and cleans the house and behaves well, and that relieves you of the burden of cleaning, then that&#039;s a working relationship worth having. Just because I had a series of pathological housekeepers who turned me off the whole idea, and just because I happen to like keeping house myself, that doesn&#039;t mean EVERYONE should keep house for themselves. It just means -I- should keep house for myself--and I wouldn&#039;t suggest otherwise to anyone who either has a really good housekeeper or who seriously WANTS a housekeeper.

Can I torture that metaphor any MORE? (Oh, if I really try, I think I can...)

Back to the there is no One Right Way or Universal Answer. Whether choosing to work without or without an agent, I think (as per Dean&#039;s &quot;your are responsible for your own career&quot; motto) the point, really, is that a writer needs to think about what he wants, why he wants it, how to get it, and whether he IS getting it (and, if not, what to do about that problem).

If a writer wants an agent, he should think intelligent about WHY he wants an agent, WHAT his expectations are, and then regularly examine whether his expectations are (a) realistic, (b) changing, and (c) being met.

And ditto if a writer decides he does NOT want an agent.

Laura</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, to be clear, if you find a housekeeper who comes and cleans the house and behaves well, and that relieves you of the burden of cleaning, then that&#8217;s a working relationship worth having. Just because I had a series of pathological housekeepers who turned me off the whole idea, and just because I happen to like keeping house myself, that doesn&#8217;t mean EVERYONE should keep house for themselves. It just means -I- should keep house for myself&#8211;and I wouldn&#8217;t suggest otherwise to anyone who either has a really good housekeeper or who seriously WANTS a housekeeper.</p>
<p>Can I torture that metaphor any MORE? (Oh, if I really try, I think I can&#8230;)</p>
<p>Back to the there is no One Right Way or Universal Answer. Whether choosing to work without or without an agent, I think (as per Dean&#8217;s &#8220;your are responsible for your own career&#8221; motto) the point, really, is that a writer needs to think about what he wants, why he wants it, how to get it, and whether he IS getting it (and, if not, what to do about that problem).</p>
<p>If a writer wants an agent, he should think intelligent about WHY he wants an agent, WHAT his expectations are, and then regularly examine whether his expectations are (a) realistic, (b) changing, and (c) being met.</p>
<p>And ditto if a writer decides he does NOT want an agent.</p>
<p>Laura</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy J. Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy J. Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting distinction, Dean.

Are you saying that you essentially avoid keeping an agent &quot;on retainer&quot; and instead sell the book yourself, then when you need to hire an agent for the contract negotiation, but only for that book?

I suppose you made that clear before but that I missed it. But that would mean that you are hiring the agent with the explicit understanding that they are to handle that contract only?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting distinction, Dean.</p>
<p>Are you saying that you essentially avoid keeping an agent &#8220;on retainer&#8221; and instead sell the book yourself, then when you need to hire an agent for the contract negotiation, but only for that book?</p>
<p>I suppose you made that clear before but that I missed it. But that would mean that you are hiring the agent with the explicit understanding that they are to handle that contract only?</p>
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		<title>By: Alastair Mayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alastair Mayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard of agents hired to negotiate the deal after a book is sold (by a newbie) getting enough of an increase on the advance to more than cover their 15%, in which case they&#039;ve clearly earned it.  Perhaps a literary IP lawyer could have done as well, I don&#039;t know.  

It&#039;s often helpful to have an intermediary in a negotiation.  It lends a level of detachment where personal involvment might interfere with the process; most people who don&#039;t do it for a living aren&#039;t very good at it.  (From buying and selling houses, for example, I know it&#039;s much easier for me to be a tough negotiator if my responses and demands are filtered through the real estate agent than if I were discussing it with the buyer or seller in person.)   In the literary world, I know an author and magazine editor whose agent got the rights reverted on several years&#039; worth of editorials (originally works for hire).  He might have been able to do that himself, but the very request might put him in an awkward position with his employer, especially if refused.

I&#039;ve been around -- if not in -- this business enough to know more about it than most newbies, but also enough to know how much I don&#039;t know.  This Killing the Sacred Cows series is great, Dean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard of agents hired to negotiate the deal after a book is sold (by a newbie) getting enough of an increase on the advance to more than cover their 15%, in which case they&#8217;ve clearly earned it.  Perhaps a literary IP lawyer could have done as well, I don&#8217;t know.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s often helpful to have an intermediary in a negotiation.  It lends a level of detachment where personal involvment might interfere with the process; most people who don&#8217;t do it for a living aren&#8217;t very good at it.  (From buying and selling houses, for example, I know it&#8217;s much easier for me to be a tough negotiator if my responses and demands are filtered through the real estate agent than if I were discussing it with the buyer or seller in person.)   In the literary world, I know an author and magazine editor whose agent got the rights reverted on several years&#8217; worth of editorials (originally works for hire).  He might have been able to do that himself, but the very request might put him in an awkward position with his employer, especially if refused.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been around &#8212; if not in &#8212; this business enough to know more about it than most newbies, but also enough to know how much I don&#8217;t know.  This Killing the Sacred Cows series is great, Dean.</p>
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