Sep 26 2009

Killing the Sacred Cows of Publishing: Workshops

Published by dwsmith at 3:19 pm under Misc, On Writing

I believe writers’ workshops, when used correctly, are a good tool for a writer to use. When used for the wrong reason, they are destructive beyond all measure. And there are so many myths built up around writers’ workshops that this might take a few chapters. In this chapter, I will focus on the top myths about writers’ workshops and also get into how to use a workshop correctly.

Big Workshop Myth #1. A WORKSHOP WILL HELP YOU FIX A MANUSCRIPT.

Of course, that’s total hogwash, but many writers go into a workshop thinking just that.

Workshops, in the form that we know them today, have been around since the early part of the last century. There are lots of thoughts about how these workshops started, the most repeated being that Iowa Writers Workshops started it all. Of course, peer reading of manuscripts for writers has been around for far longer, but for this chapter, there is no reason to argue history.

Somewhere back in the baby boom, the structure of a round robin workshop came about. A group of writers sit around a table or a room and take turns critiquing the story. That form has become the standard form for most workshops. When sponsored by a university program of some sort, there is an instructor running the workshop, but in many cases workshops fall into a few standard forms.

University Program Workshops. A group of students, all at the same basic level, take turns tearing apart manuscripts without any understanding of how anything works while an instructor keeps the fighting down to a certain level and sometimes adds in an opinion. The idea is that if a student is forced to actually look at a manuscript and tear it apart for a grade, and have their own work torn apart, they will learn how to write creatively. This method fails for the same reason that giving a person a hammer and telling them to tear apart a house will turn that person into a fine wood craftsman. It creates good critics, but seldom good writers.

Peer Group Workshops. These are everywhere and run in a number of different ways, the two most used being:

1) Round robin style where a person submits a story and the group, going around the room one-at-a-time takes apart the manuscript.

2) Read aloud workshops. A person reads his story aloud and then the group makes comments in some form or another. (This method has nothing to do with selling writing, since you can’t go into an editor’s office and read your work to them, thus a person who is a good reader can slide by with awful stuff, while a poor reader gets trashed no matter what he writes.)

Of course, the biggest problem with peer group workshops is that the knowledge level is often about the same, so learning is slow and painful and requires members of the workshop to constantly go outside the workshop for new knowledge to bring back to the group. Many workshops never have this outside input and thus just swirl in place, with its members making no real progress.

Leader Driven Workshops. This type of workshop usually has an experienced professional leading a group of not-as-experienced writers. Sometimes these are round robin, sometimes only the instructor talks. Either way they work or don’t work depending on the experience of the person running the workshop.

Denise Little and I do a workshop in this form almost every year. Everyone writes stories to order for an anthology, and then everyone reads everyone else’s stories, but only Denise and I talk about each story coming from an editor’s slant and if we would buy the story or not. This helps everyone understand why a story is bought or not, and can help them match their own reading experience with two editor’s reading of the same story. This form would never work as a regular workshop, but it works great for one weekend a year.

Also note, I call all the classes we do here on the Oregon Coast “Workshops” but none of them are really workshops like what I am talking about here. They are basically advanced writing classes here, taught by advanced professionals, but the word workshop seems to be used for such things these days, so I figured no point in fighting that.

So back to the myth. Young writers think that taking a manuscript into a peer round-robin style workshop will help them “fix” that manuscript and make it sell.

Let me list a number of reasons why this myth does not work past helping you fix a few missed details, the same thing a good first reader would do.

1) See my chapter about rewriting. The best way to take your voice, the quality of your writing out of your story is to pound it like you are pounding a steak to make it tender. All rewriting does is make sameness, seldom quality. And editors buy for unique voice and unique story, never the same-old-thing written blandly.

2) Doing anything by committee never turns out much quality work. If you take your manuscript and try to fix everything everyone says is wrong with it, your remaining story won’t even look as good as a Frankenstein monster. It won’t walk or even crawl. And it sure won’t be like anything you wanted to write.

3) Writers in peer workshops know less about writing than you do. Why listen to them? (There are reasons, but I will get to that in a moment.) If they could tell you how to “fix” your story, they would be selling work themselves all the time or be a top New York editor. So why listen to what they tell you to do? Just assume they know less than you do.

4) If a manuscript fails, it does not mean your story failed. Your story is still in your head, and having a manuscript beat on only means your tool for relaying the story failed. In other words, if the hammer is broken, don’t try to tape the handle, get a new hammer (write the story again from scratch, called redrafting). A workshop will tell you exactly how to tape the handle together and I hope you know how well that will work on the next swing of the hammer.

5) Writing for your workshop. This starts to happen the longer a workshop has lasted with the same group. You get the member’s voices in your head and as you are creating a story, you make decisions in your story based on what another member of your workshop will think. By this point, you are lost as a writer with a unique voice and need to run from the workshop with all speed, just as you should run from any read-aloud workshop. If the voices of other workshop members are in your head while writing, you are in deep trouble. That simple. You have to write your stories your way, not anyone else’s way.

6) Work-in-progress workshops are death. This is the worst of all workshops, and often are done with novel workshops. The simple rule is that you should never, ever show anyone a work-in-progress, even your first reader. It is your story, your book, and the only hope of it being unique and original to you will be if you write it alone, with no input along the way at all. Nothing of quality ever comes out of a workshop of this type.

So, why go to a workshop at all? Actually, if used correctly, peer workshops can really, really help you learn, but you have to have a thick skin and the ability to keep what is being said in perspective.

Here are a few good reasons to attend a peer workshop.

1) Deadline. Writers must learn to write to deadline and often a workshop is structured so that something needs to be turned in to the workshop, thus giving you structure and a deadline. My first peer workshop didn’t have many rules, other than only one person could talk at a time. So I made my own deadline, deciding to turn in a new story every week. (I always mailed the story to an editor before turning the story into the workshop that week, so the deadline of the workshop not only helped me finish a story by a certain time, but mail it.)

2) Audience. A workshop gives you a built-in audience to see if a manuscript is actually working for the story you wanted to tell. But you have to understand how the audience works. If everyone loves your story, it means it hit everyone right in the middle and the story might sell, it might not. If everyone hated your story, the same thing. The story might sell, it might not, but you will know to expect some ugly rejections before it sells. But if half the workshop hates your story and half love it and they argue about your story, don’t touch a word. You have a winner. Your manuscript worked so well, the readers got arguing about content and thus you know it will sell. Editors love that kind of story.

Kristine Kathryn Rusch tells a story about a workshop where she turned in a wonderful little story that everyone loved. I read it and loved it also, thought it sweet and cute. At the break, she went out into the parking lot, angry as all get out. I asked her what was wrong and it turns out she was furious about the critique. To her the manuscript had completely failed and she was going to toss it. When I asked why, she said simply, “It was supposed to be a horror story.” She had used the workshop as an audience to see how the manuscript worked for what the story in her head was. The audience told her that her manuscript failed, even though they all loved it.

3) Learning from other writers’ skills. Taking another writer’s story apart as a critique seldom helps anyone, including the reader. It’s often why the best reviewers are failed writers. They can tear apart, but they can’t build. However, instead of going at a story to tear it apart, if you are using a workshop correctly, you are reading to see what the writer did correctly. That’s right, I said look for what the writer did right. Ignore the mistakes. So say the writer of a manuscript used a nifty way of introducing a villain that really worked for you. Study how the writer did that, complement them about it in the workshop and try to say what you mean out loud, and guess what, that same trick will now be in your tool box for later use. That’s one of the many ways writers learn new writing skills.

For example, without using a workshop, if I finish a book by an author that I loved (I always read for pleasure first) and really think some trick the writer did was nifty, I go back and look at that section, often reading it and rereading it up to a dozen times so I can get past the story and see the words. Then if I really like the trick, I will take those few pages of the book and type them into my manuscript format. By running the author’s words through my own fingers and mind, I will learn the trick. I might not use it for three or four novels, and then suddenly, without thinking, I will use it when it needs to be used.

Workshops, if you go at the reading correctly, can teach you the same kind of things. But you have to be focused on what works in a manuscript, and why. Not just a ripping and shredding critique. Those do nothing for you, or the author.

4) WRITE DOWN THE GOOD STUFF. When all of us are being critiqued, the tendency is to only write down what people didn’t like. Kris and I fight to get our students to write down the good stuff we say about their work. It is a constant fight.

Asimov’s Rule: When someone says 9 good things and one bad, the writer will only remember the bad thing.

Fight that rule, only write down the good stuff. Of course, few of you will do that since Asimov’s Rule is so much human nature, but I figured I might as well put that in.

5) Listen carefully to other critiques of other writer’s stories. You will be amazed that another writer in the room will see something in a manuscript that you have read that you didn’t see. Often something good or well-done, sometimes a problem you didn’t see. Since it is not your manuscript, you have no emotional attachment to it, and thus can learn from the comment. Go back into the manuscript to see why you missed it and if you agree. If you do agree, you will have just learned another trick for a future story. In fact, you will learn more by listening to other people critique other writer’s stories than from ever having your own story critiqued.

So, besides those reasons to go to a peer workshop, what is the biggest reason? Put simply:

You are attending the workshop to help make your next story better.

That’s right, there’s nothing a workshop can do to help you fix a story without killing it. But you can learn stuff from a workshop that will help you make your next story better. Your focus always has to be forward, toward learning and writing the next story. (Again, why I mailed my stories before turning them into a workshop. I never cared about that manuscript, it was finished. I did care to learn nifty new stuff that I could use for future manuscripts.)

So, get your mindset away from the myth that a workshop will help you “fix” a manuscript and focus forward. Try to learn everything you can learn to help your next story be better written.

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Notice below that I have added onto this series of chapters a donate button where you can donate if you feel these chapters of this upcoming book helped you in some way and you want to keep me writing them and putting them up here. And if you can’t afford to donate, please feel free to pass this article along to others who might get some help from it. Every week or so I will be adding a new chapter on the myths and sacred cows of publishing. Stay tuned. Upcoming are chapters on bestsellers, research, self promotion, and so much more. This business has a lot of myths. An entire book full.

Thanks, Dean


14 responses so far

14 Responses to “Killing the Sacred Cows of Publishing: Workshops”

  1. Patrickon 26 Sep 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Great Post! This actually came up in my local RWA chapter meeting today. Our President came back and presented some of the guidance from RWA Nationals on running a successful chapter.

    One of the pieces of advice was that group critiquing was a bad idea because it was divisive.

    Our chapter does a peer-group round-robin read aloud critique.

    Based on your teaching, my instinct was to run. I’ve been surprised though. The read aloud is fine. Everyone also has a copy to read along, read ahead. I don’t know that it is necessary or useful, but I don’t think it is bad.

    I think the thing that makes it work so well is the top published writers of the group. They really understand giving feedback in a positive and helpful fashion. It’s technically a peer-group style, but it isn’t.

    I’m definitely learning from listening to their feedback. I’m not sure what I am learning, but I never am. I just ingest everything and hope some of it makes it to my fingers on the keyboard.

    BTW – that Denise Little workshop is fun!

  2. dwsmithon 26 Sep 2009 at 11:30 pm

    Thanks, Patrick, for the comments. And I agree, we never really know what we have learned at any given moment until much later when it comes out of our fingers in service of a new story.

    And I agree, the Denise Little workshop is a blast. Both Denise and I enjoy it a lot. And we still have some spots open, actually.

    Cheers,
    Dean

  3. Amanda McCarteron 27 Sep 2009 at 2:30 pm

    This is a great article, Dean. It certainly answers some concerns I have. I participate in two “workshops.” One is an online workshop filled with aspirants and beginners who are struggling to get published and the other is a round robin read aloud with writers from all levels.

    I enjoy the online workshop because we all share good news and bad, what worked and what didn’t, and we all cheer each other on to get published. Every month, we critique one story from each of the other members. We’re all struggling to succeed. The critiques aren’t always the best and I don’t always agree, but it’s still fun.

    The other workshop is also enjoyable because I can pick the brains of published writers and find out how they got to where they are. I also get to see people in the same spot I’m in and observe what they’re doing. The read aloud is fine. I’ve come to the realization that I need to get my name out there, regardless. So, I take the critiques and the ideas, and put them in place for another story, while the critiqued story will go back into the mail, unchanged.

  4. dwsmithon 27 Sep 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Amanda, sounds to me like you are using the workshops perfectly. Great way to use them to learn. Just don’t allow yourself to start writing for anyone in the workshops, that’s the key the longer you stay in a workshop. Great use of a great learning tool.

    Thanks for the comments.
    Cheers,
    Dean

  5. Steve Perryon 28 Sep 2009 at 10:37 am

    Here, Dean, feel old:

    Twenty years ago, Dean and Kris had me do a monograph for their Writer’s Chapbook Series (Writer’s Notebook Press, Pulphouse Publishing). It was entitled, Workshops: The Minefields of Science Fiction.

    Dean just said pretty much everything I said in it, but better and more to the point …

    Steve

  6. Brad R. Torgersenon 28 Sep 2009 at 5:07 pm

    This is some serious blasphemy you’re ladeling out, Dean.

    (smirk)

    I think many writing workshops end up like poorly managed 12-step programs.

    Ergo, they become peer-lead entities unto themselves, never really getting the participants to a state of functional health, but instead prolonging the participants’ time spent in a state of dysfunction.

    One of the reasons I quit the sit-down workshop I did in Seattle in 2002 was because a) nobody in it was publishing anything and b) some of them had been that way for more years than I’d been trying to get published, total. As in, they’d been stuck as aspirants for decades.

    One day I sat up and blinked at how odd it was for me to seek “writing health” in a group whose key members hadn’t been “healthy” (ergo, selling or sold) themselves, nor were even close to same. And had been that way for much, much too long.

    In the end, there was a kind of fatalistic cloud which hung over the group. Too many people who had been trying for too long without getting anywhere, such that the commentary and the mood was laced with negativity. Not in-your-face negativity, no. More like the kind of subtle, sour taste you get when you go to a nursing home: all the people there, just waiting to die.

  7. David Alton Doddon 28 Sep 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Really good stuff!

    I don’t currently have access to workshops (I live outside of the U.S.), but I completely agree with this account. There are a few I would attend if I had time, but I can’t imagine the number of writers that are fooled one way or another into believing that they are great or bad, depending on the opinions of their peers. A real writer (someone who will ultimately be successful) isn’t going stop writing regardless of criticism or praise from peers, so I think it’s mostly money unwisely spent.

    I think the best workshops are run by professionals, and not by the people attending.

    Great stuff, Dean, keep it coming!

  8. dwsmithon 28 Sep 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Steve, let me get my cane. I remember that series we did. A good writing series in the day before internet stuff like today. And I do remember your article. A great one that opened a lot of people’s eyes to the dangers of workshop. I’m sure it’s now collectible.

    How in the world did we end up being around so long?

    I mentioned to someone the other day that I sold my first short story in 1975 and the person’s response was, “I wasn’t even born then.”

    Cheers,
    Dean

  9. Jas.on 13 Oct 2009 at 10:39 am

    Hi.
    I have a sort of myth of publishing I’d like to see examined: you have to take what an editor/publisher offers you when you are starting out, or try to sell your stuff elsewhere. As an example, here is a bit of the submission guidelines for a magazine:
    “We buy first North American and foreign serial rights and an option on anthology rights. All other rights are retained by the author.”
    As I understand it, this means you can’t sell your short story to an overseas magazine; and you can’t sell to an anthology without getting clearance from the magazine … which ties up some of what you could earn from a short story aside from that initial sale. (Never having seen a contract, I could be wrong on the details of this.)
    For people just starting out, is there any wiggle room on this or is it a “take it or leave it” situation? I see lots of advice about “don’t sell all of your rights” but little on “which rights are actually valuable and which aren’t”.

  10. dwsmithon 20 Oct 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Jas,

    There is a weekend worth of responses to your question. My first suggestion is to make sure you understand copyright as best you can, with such books at the Copyright Handbook as a start. Copyright is what you actually sell (license, actually) and it can be divided into a thousand different slices, all sold on their own. Above you are asking about negotiating a contract over what certain terms mean. First off, understand that all contracts, no matter your level, can be negotiated. And if you don’t like the end result, you can always just say no and walk away. I have done that from many, many contracts over the years, right from the beginning. No one is forcing you to sell a right you don’t want to. That simple.

    If you ask for a right to be kept and the magazine or book publisher says no, then you have a clear choice to make. But never go into a contract assuming it is set in stone.

    As for which rights are valuable and which aren’t, my opinion is that they all are valuable and you should only sell what the magazine really needs, nothing more. If they have an overseas edition to their magazine, then they need that right. Having an option on anthology rights doesn’t hold that right, just use the term “nonexclusive” in there and then you can sell it and they also retain the option to use it, usually for extra money. Lots and lots of ways around things, which means as an author, you need to go study contracts and copyright. Everything is negotiable. Always remember that, and if they say no, you can always walk away. Hope that helped. This is a huge, huge area.

    Cheers
    Dean

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  12. Livia Blackburneon 19 Dec 2009 at 11:15 pm

    I’m enjoying reading all your posts. They’re very thought provoking. So it seems your point in this post is not so much that workshops are bad, but that taking workshop advice blindly is bad for your writing — is that an accurate summary?

    There are a couple places in your post where I can’t tell if you’re taking a slightly more extreme point than you actually hold to make a point. For example, I think there will be times when there is something wrong with your manuscript, and following a workshop’s advice on that manuscript will make it better. For example, if multiple people independently agree that a plot point is unconvincing, it’s worth your time and effort to thinka bout what they say. Would you agree?

    I like your suggestion to pick up good tricks from other writers (but that’s the premise of my own blog, so I may be a bit biased here :-) )

  13. dwsmithon 19 Dec 2009 at 11:37 pm

    Taking advice blindly from any source is bad for your writing. Workshops just tend to set that up as a fact for many writers.

    Not extreme at all. Write the story, mail it BEFORE you ever think of attending a workshop with it. Then, when your story is being worked over, learn to write the next story better. You can’t fix a story from a bunch of want-to-be writers giving opinions. Just learn what you didn’t do correctly, that you agree with, on that last story and then write the next one better.

    What I discovered is that workshops and even stuff I agree with was often wrong, very wrong, and editors bought stories with all those “mistakes” I made.

    I use workshops to learn how to write the next story better. Nothing more. Never to fix something. Follow Heinlein’s Rules at all times.
    Cheers
    Dean

  14. Alex Fayleon 10 Jan 2010 at 2:53 am

    The two times I stopped writing because I discouragement, it was because of workshops. The first was a university course that was exactly as you described it and I stopped writing for two years because of it.

    The next was a peer workshop that focused on literary fiction (and I’m a fantasy writer) so I ended up trying to write for them instead of for me and so hated my writing and stopped writing for another three years.

    Now that I live in a non-English country, I’m involved in the Forward Motion forums and take the occasional online course on improving one particular skill or another.

    I’ve never been happier about my writing or about my chances to get published.

    Thanks for this installment! (and all the others, of course!)

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